Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/21/2001 01:13 PM House JUD

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HB 172 - THERAPEUTIC DRUG AND ALCOHOL COURTS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Contains discussion HB 4.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0040                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG announced  that  the committee  would hear  HOUSE                                                               
BILL  NO.  172,  "An  Act  relating  to  therapeutic  courts  for                                                               
offenders  and  to  the  authorized   number  of  superior  court                                                               
judges."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0069                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN  PORTER, Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor,                                                               
explained that  crimes relating to  alcohol and other  drugs have                                                               
been a significant problem in  Alaska.  Driving while intoxicated                                                               
(DWI)  is arguably  the most  dangerous of  the state's  alcohol-                                                               
related  offenses.   Consequently,  legislatures  over the  years                                                               
have developed  dramatic penalties  for DWI  offenses.   He noted                                                               
that  first-time   DWI  offenders  have  the   smallest  rate  of                                                               
recidivism;  four out  of five  DWI offenders  do not  repeat the                                                               
offense.    After  losing  three   days  in  confinement,  paying                                                               
substantial  fines, and  losing  driving privileges  for over  90                                                               
days,  many  first-time  offenders  get  the  message.    In  the                                                               
process, more  information has been  developed about  persons who                                                               
continue  to  offend.   Representative  Porter  referred to  past                                                               
legislation he had sponsored, which  created the first felony DWI                                                               
statute  in   Alaska.    He   said  the  intent  of   that  prior                                                               
legislation,  in  addition  to  getting DWI  offenders  out  from                                                               
behind the  wheel of a  car for a longer  period of time,  was to                                                               
allow  the court  a longer  period of  time to  work towards  the                                                               
constitutionally required goal of offender rehabilitation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  offered that  HB 172 was  a giant  step in                                                               
the direction  of offender rehabilitation.   He said that  HB 172                                                               
is intended,  with the recent  advancements in  psychological and                                                               
medical  treatment,  to   dramatically  reduce  addictions,  thus                                                               
changing  the headlines  which relate  that  another Alaskan  has                                                               
lost his or her  life to a driver with three,  four, and even ten                                                               
prior DWI convictions.  Representative  Porter explained that the                                                               
program [encompassed in HB 172]  is intended to provide an up-to-                                                               
date,  systematic  approach to  an  extremely  important area  of                                                               
Alaskan law.   He remarked that he had developed  HB 172 with the                                                               
assistance  of all  the agencies  that  will be  involved in  the                                                               
implementation of this coordinated approach.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0406                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  asked why Anchorage and  Bethel were chosen                                                               
as sites.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER   explained  that  Anchorage   was  chosen                                                               
because it  is a significant  urban area  with a problem,  and it                                                               
already  has, at  the district-court  level, a  therapeutic court                                                               
program in progress.  Bethel was  chosen because it is a hub that                                                               
serves a lot  of neighboring rural areas and  therefore offered a                                                               
rural approach to  implementation of the program.   He added that                                                               
HB  172  has   provisions  that  ask  the   various  agencies  to                                                               
coordinate with  the local  residents in  rehabilitation efforts.                                                               
Representative  Porter  explained that  HB  172  creates a  pilot                                                               
program and, if  successful, would be expanded to  other areas of                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0561                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  J.   GUANELI,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney   General,  Legal                                                               
Services  Section-Juneau, Criminal  Division, Department  of Law,                                                               
said he has  oftentimes stressed the importance  of treatment for                                                               
DWI offenders.   Jail terms  serve a  purpose, but at  some point                                                               
offenders are released  from jail; unless some  form of treatment                                                               
has  been  provided, either  while  in  jail  or as  a  follow-up                                                               
afterwards, there is a likelihood  that offenders will re-offend.                                                               
[The department]  supports the provisions  of HB 172 as  they are                                                               
written.   He said he  thought it was  important both to  rely on                                                               
standard treatment  programs, which involve  inpatient [services]                                                               
and  counseling, and  to try  innovative therapies,  particularly                                                               
those  that involve  drugs [that  help to  combat cravings].   He                                                               
also  said he  was encouraged  by results  shown in  other states                                                               
that  have instituted  programs [similar  to that  created by  HB
172].                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  referred to provisions in  HB 172 that he  said [the                                                               
department]  felt were  important.   One  important provision  is                                                               
that  defendants,  at  an  early  point in  time,  get  into  the                                                               
therapeutic  court program,  that they  request to  get into  the                                                               
program soon after arraignment, and that  they enter a plea at an                                                               
early point  in time.  There  are time limits within  HB 172 that                                                               
are designed to  ensure that defendants entering  the program are                                                               
motivated  to cure  their  alcohol  problem.   He  added that  he                                                               
thought that  motivation was a  key element  to success.   If too                                                               
much time  is spent in  legal maneuvering and filing  motions, it                                                               
signals to  prosecutors that the  defendant is not  serious about                                                               
addressing the root cause of the  problem.  He noted that another                                                               
problem  when the  legal  process delays  treatment  is that  the                                                               
window of  opportunity is  lost during  which treatment  can take                                                               
hold.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0789                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said that it is  also important to realize that while                                                               
people are going  through the criminal justice  process, they may                                                               
not necessarily need to be in  jail.  Other options such as house                                                               
arrest (HA)  and electronic  monitoring (EM) exist.   He  said he                                                               
thought  that  in  appropriate  cases,  courts  should  have  the                                                               
latitude to  use the  options of  HA and  EM.   Another important                                                               
provision of HB  172 is that while  a person is serving  HA or on                                                               
EM,  the time  served does  not count  against any  jail sentence                                                               
imposed.   He  said that  because  of the  delays that  sometimes                                                               
occur during the  criminal justice process, it  is important that                                                               
a person not be  able to argue that the time  served during HA or                                                               
on EM  enables him or her  to avoid participating in  a treatment                                                               
program.  He had concern  that the normal legal provisions, which                                                               
might give  credit for time served  during HA or on  EM, would be                                                               
abused  in  the  instance  of  DWI defendants.    He  said  if  a                                                               
defendant  is really  motivated  to participate  in the  program,                                                               
then  that  person  should  go into  the  program  without  being                                                               
concerned  about time  already served  during  HA or  on EM;  the                                                               
person  should just  be  devoted to  completing  the program  and                                                               
getting on with life.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  inquired  about  discretion of  the  judge  with                                                               
regard to  the EM  provision in  HB 172.   He offered  that there                                                               
might  be circumstances  in  which the  discretion  of the  judge                                                               
should take precedence  over statute.  He  suggested that perhaps                                                               
a change could  be made to allow for  judicial discretion, rather                                                               
than strictly deny credit for EM.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI argued  that there  should be  a hard-and-fast  rule                                                               
about whether  someone does  or does  not get  credit.   He added                                                               
that  the  judge's discretion  comes  into  play during  sentence                                                               
imposition.  If a judge  were to ordinarily impose an eight-month                                                               
sentence  but a  defendant has  already served  some very  strict                                                               
time under HA, then the judge  could choose to impose a six-month                                                               
sentence instead.  Judicial discretion is  based on how much of a                                                               
sentence gets  imposed; it is not  based on a calculation  of how                                                               
much  time has  been served  under what  conditions.   The latter                                                               
calculation  would only  cause  unnecessary  litigation during  a                                                               
time that could  be better spent completing  a treatment program.                                                               
He  said that  it seems  [to the  department] that  the issue  of                                                               
credit  given for  HA  or EM  should be  either  black or  white;                                                               
either a person gets credit or does not get credit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1075                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  referred to HB  4, which has an  increased third-                                                               
time-offender felony-category  DWI offense.   He said  he thought                                                               
that the provision in HB 172  regarding credit for HA or EM would                                                               
take away  a main tool  that a  judge has to  provide appropriate                                                               
monitoring,  as well  as  restricting a  person's  ability to  be                                                               
productive.  He  said that part of the  wellness court provisions                                                               
was to  modify the  offender's behavior  so he  or she  would not                                                               
have to serve as much time in a correctional institution.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1134                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  said [the department]  believes that  the offender's                                                               
incentive  is provided  for in  HB  172 by  stipulating that  the                                                               
judge, despite  any mandatory sentencing provisions,  may suspend                                                               
the  entire   sentence  if   the  court-ordered   conditions  for                                                               
treatment are complied with.  The  offender may very well have to                                                               
be on EM or serve HA,  but the incentive for participating in the                                                               
treatment  program is  the possibility  of avoiding  some of  the                                                               
strict mandatory sentencing provisions currently in statute.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  sought clarification.   He gave  as an  example a                                                               
judge who  required HA for 240  days with EM provisions;  then it                                                               
would be up to the  judge's discretion that that could constitute                                                               
the  sentence  because  of  the waiver  of  the  other  mandatory                                                               
provisions, and it would be  up to the judge's discretion whether                                                               
to give  or include "good time"  because it would be  part of his                                                               
order if  the judge  chose to  use that device.   He  inquired if                                                               
that was what Mr. Guaneli meant.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI attempted  to clarify what he meant.   He said if the                                                               
judge chooses,  in imposing sentence,  to give a  lesser sentence                                                               
because of  other criteria that  the defendant has had  to comply                                                               
with, it is the  judge's choice.  But also, it  is a much simpler                                                               
process to  look only  at whether a  defendant complied  with the                                                               
conditions  imposed.   He said  that  the problem  faced by  [the                                                               
department] is that a defendant who  is on EM builds up "credit,"                                                               
and if enough  credit is built up by the  time of sentencing, the                                                               
defendant  can   just  walk  away   from  any   further  sentence                                                               
impositions; thus  it creates a  situation that  [the department]                                                               
wants to avoid.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1296                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said  he understood that Mr. Guaneli  did not want                                                               
the public defender claiming the  defendant had already spent 240                                                               
days on  EM and therefore  had met the statutory  requirement for                                                               
sentencing.  Chair Rokeberg said  he was attempting to point out,                                                               
however, that if the judge decided  to let the defendant meet the                                                               
statutory requirement  of sentence  imposition while on  EM, then                                                               
the judge had full discretion to do so under HB 172.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI responded  that if the judge was going  to allow that                                                               
scenario,  then that  was up  to  the judge.   He  said he  would                                                               
rather have the judge make that  decision at the time of sentence                                                               
imposition instead  of being forced  into that  situation because                                                               
time  elapsed while  the defendant  was  under HA.   Mr.  Guaneli                                                               
further  clarified that  the time  for discretion  by a  judge is                                                               
while  imposing a  sentence and  in deciding  how much  [time] to                                                               
suspend.  He  did not want to allow for  possible manipulation of                                                               
the [judicial] process.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1349                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  noted  there   were  concerns  about  the  "gate                                                               
keeping" provisions  of HB 172.   He  said he would  describe the                                                               
problem as  an historic  reluctance on the  part of  the district                                                               
attorney to participate in the  existing program.  There had been                                                               
criticism of the provision that  has the prosecuting attorney act                                                               
as  the  gatekeeper  in  determining who  could  enter  into  the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained that the  current Naltrexone program in the                                                               
district  court has  had  just a  small number  of  cases.   [The                                                               
department] has  been reluctant  to participate  for a  couple of                                                               
reasons.    One reason  is  that  there  are not  any  structured                                                               
provisions in  the existing program  such as  can be found  in HB
172.  It  is important that all parties know  what the rules are.                                                               
The second  reason is  that the existing  program is  in district                                                               
court,  and he  said  [the department]  feels  that felony  drunk                                                               
driving  cases should  be handled  in superior  court.   He added                                                               
that HB  172 cures  a number of  what [the  department] considers                                                               
shortcomings of  the existing program.   One, [the program  in HB
172] continues  to be at  the superior  court level, and  two, it                                                               
requires that  at least the  restitution and other portions  of a                                                               
sentence be imposed at an early  point in time, thus enabling the                                                               
victim  to  begin  collecting restitution.    Another  point  Mr.                                                               
Guaneli  made   was  that  [the   department]  was   involved  in                                                               
developing the  program encompassed  in HB 172;  [the department]                                                               
believes in  the program  and is very  willing to  participate in                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1517                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG asked  Mr.  Guaneli  to comment  on  some of  the                                                               
problems that  revolved around timelines.   He said he  had heard                                                               
of  cases where  there was  a failure  to enter  into a  judgment                                                               
and/or  suspended imposition  of sentence  (SIS), or  restitution                                                               
orders in a timely manner.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1540                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI   said  that   the  specific   provisions  regarding                                                               
timelines are  that defendants  have to request  to get  into the                                                               
program within  45 days,  and once  accepted, defendants  have to                                                               
enter a  plea within 45  days.   He said [the  department] thinks                                                               
those are appropriate provisions that  will enable the process to                                                               
move along  in a timely  manner, and will ensure  that defendants                                                               
who  are  accepted into  the  program  are  ones who  are  highly                                                               
motivated  to  participate.     He  noted  that   last  year  the                                                               
legislature had  passed a bill  that said a defendant  who pleads                                                               
guilty within  30 days  of arraignment  gets a  mitigating factor                                                               
against  the  sentence, thereby  showing  that  the defendant  is                                                               
remorseful  and  really wants  to  make  amends  for his  or  her                                                               
conduct.   That  statute  gives the  defendant  a 30-day  window,                                                               
whereas HB 172 gives the defendant up  to 90 days to enter a plea                                                               
and  then an  additional 30  days before  sentence is  imposed, a                                                               
total  of four  months, which  Mr.  Guaneli said  he thought  was                                                               
plenty of  time for an  offender to  take stock of  the situation                                                               
and make the decision to get on with the program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG asked  if there would be  any misdemeanants before                                                               
this court [that  is created by HB  172], or if it  is only going                                                               
to involve felony cases.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said  that the program [created by HB  172] is set up                                                               
at the  superior court level.   The  superior court in  Alaska is                                                               
called  the  "court of  general  jurisdiction"  and as  such  has                                                               
jurisdiction  over all  cases.   Misdemeanor drunk  driving cases                                                               
can be filed  in the superior court, and can  proceed through the                                                               
superior court.   As an example,  if [the department] has  a case                                                               
wherein  the "look-back"  provisions  cause the  defendant to  be                                                               
treated legally as a second  offender, but [the department] knows                                                               
that the  defendant has third  and fourth convictions far  in the                                                               
past, [the department] can choose to  have the offender go to the                                                               
superior court  and participate  in the program.   He  added that                                                               
the program  is intended  to focus on  felony cases  because most                                                               
everyone feels that  that is where most of the  problems are, but                                                               
the latitude is  there to send other types of  cases to the court                                                               
[created by HB 172].                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1702                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI,  in response to  questions posed by  Chair Rokeberg,                                                               
said that the role of the  gatekeeper - that being the prosecutor                                                               
-  is  to  set  guidelines and  choose  the  appropriate  "second                                                               
offenders"  who are  not really  second offenders  but third  and                                                               
fourth  offenders.   He  said  that the  court  could not  accept                                                               
someone   into  the   program  without   the  agreement   of  the                                                               
prosecutor; the prosecutor,  the defense, and the  court all have                                                               
an integral  role in the  program, and also  have a stake  in the                                                               
success of the offender.  It  takes an enormous amount of time to                                                               
bring each offender  back for periodic review  hearings, to offer                                                               
encouragement  when  needed,   and  to  discourage  inappropriate                                                               
behavior before it gets out of  hand.  Getting agreement from all                                                               
parties involved  that any given  case is an appropriate  one for                                                               
the program,  and worth the  resources expended, is  an important                                                               
part of the process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI also responded that nothing  in HB 172 is designed to                                                               
interfere with  existing programs,  and it was  his understanding                                                               
that there might be amendments  offered later that will make that                                                               
absolutely clear.   With regard to the provisions in  HB 172 that                                                               
are not consistent with current  practices, Mr. Guaneli said that                                                               
if the  district court  wishes to  maintain those  practices they                                                               
now indulge in, they are free to  do so; the program in HB 172 is                                                               
designed to be  at the superior court level and  funded thus.  If                                                               
the court system  wants to have other types of  programs at other                                                               
levels and is willing to fund them, it can.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1865                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  referred to  page 4,  line 2,  regarding the                                                               
30-day  provision,  and  asked   what  the  current  standard  of                                                               
practice was.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  said that generally  in felony cases, the  amount of                                                               
time that elapses between entering  a plea and sentencing usually                                                               
depends on  how much time the  probation office needs to  write a                                                               
pre-sentence report  for the judge.   In  other words, it  is the                                                               
time  needed  to investigate  the  person's  background, write  a                                                               
report,  and make  a recommendation.   He  said he  believed that                                                               
felony  drunk   driving  cases  have  a   shortened  process  and                                                               
therefore do not take as long as  murder cases or rape cases.  He                                                               
added that  by the time  most of  [the drunk driving]  cases have                                                               
gotten  to the  point of  entering  a judgment,  enough is  known                                                               
about the  offender, as  well as what  the appropriate  action to                                                               
take is,  that 30 days  is plenty of time  in which to  allow the                                                               
probation office to  write a report.  He noted,  however, that in                                                               
serious felony  cases in  Anchorage it often  takes six  weeks to                                                               
get a pre-sentence report written,  and then a sentencing hearing                                                               
must be  scheduled, so  in the  most serious  of felony  cases it                                                               
would ordinarily take longer than 30 days.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI, in  response to  questions by  Representative Ogan,                                                               
said that  the 30-day time limit  would not have a  fiscal impact                                                               
on  the Department  of  Law.   With regard  to  a presumptive  or                                                               
mandatory  sentence being  suspended, he  said that  even looking                                                               
only at the impact on the  Department of Corrections (DOC), if an                                                               
offender did  not set  foot in  a DOC  facility, it  would create                                                               
savings.   The  average sentence  for  a felony  drunk driver  in                                                               
Anchorage  is a  period of  several  months, and  if an  offender                                                               
successfully  completes the  long period  of probation,  it means                                                               
that  the DOC  won't have  to deal  with that  offender and  will                                                               
therefore experience less impact.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN mentioned  he  had  questions regarding  the                                                               
handout provided by the Alaska Judicial Council.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  suggested  deferring   those  questions  to  the                                                               
representative from the Alaska Court System (ACS).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2088                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  WOOLIVER,  Administrative Attorney,  Administrative  Staff,                                                               
Office of  the Administrative Director, Alaska  Court System (ACS                                                               
or the "court"), said the  court supports the idea of therapeutic                                                               
courts, and is  encouraged by the legislature's  support of them.                                                               
Currently,  there are  three  therapeutic courts  in  Alaska:   a                                                               
mental  health   court  that  treats  criminal   defendants  with                                                               
significant  mental  health  problems;  a  soon-to-be-operational                                                               
therapeutic  court for  felony-drug offenders;  and the  wellness                                                               
court, started  by Judge  Wanamaker, that  treats alcohol-related                                                               
offenders with a Naltrexone-based therapy.   He said that because                                                               
these types of programs are new,  the court felt that it was wise                                                               
to start  off with pilot projects  so that data can  be developed                                                               
in  order  to  determine  effectiveness.     He  noted  that  the                                                               
anecdotal  evidence from  Judge  Wanamaker's court  was thus  far                                                               
very encouraging.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOLIVER explained  that both  HB 4  and HB  172 generate  a                                                               
superior-court-judge  position.   However, only  one position  is                                                               
needed.   If the position is  created through passage of  HB 172,                                                               
then another position  will not be necessary under HB  4, or visa                                                               
versa.   He  added that  the  fiscal note  in HB  172 includes  a                                                               
range-10  clerk, who  will do  all the  scheduling and  paperwork                                                               
associated with the therapeutic courts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG mentioned  details of the fiscal notes  for HB 172                                                               
as they compared with the fiscal notes for HB 4.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER  admitted that the  fiscal note for HB  4 mistakenly                                                               
did   not   reflect   the  appropriate   amount   for   equipment                                                               
expenditures.    Mr.  Wooliver,  in  response  to  Representative                                                               
Rokeberg, agreed  that the proposed  amendments to  the "purpose"                                                               
language  clarified that  HB 172  would not  affect the  existing                                                               
programs.   The provisions of  HB 172  only applied to  the pilot                                                               
program that it created.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2315                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BLAIR  McCUNE, Deputy  Director,  Public  Defender Agency  (PDA),                                                               
Department of  Administration, testified via teleconference.   He                                                               
said  that  he  supported  the therapeutic  court  concept.    He                                                               
acknowledged that  the agencies involved  had done a lot  of work                                                               
in  creating HB  172.   He  added, however,  that  [the PDA]  had                                                               
concern  over the  credit-for-time-served  issue.   He said  that                                                               
[the PDA] has participated in  the existing therapeutic courts in                                                               
good  faith; a  lot  of  work goes  into  ensuring that  specific                                                               
programs are deserving  of credit for time served,  and [the PDA]                                                               
does  not see  a need  for the  provision eliminating  credit for                                                               
time served.   He  added that  contrary to  comments made  by Mr.                                                               
Guaneli, [the PDA] did not think  there were many cases of credit                                                               
given  for  EM  or  HA.   Mr.  McCune  noted  that  other  states                                                               
sometimes  use diversion  programs  without  having judgments  or                                                               
convictions, though  he acknowledged that  the DOL did  not favor                                                               
those types of programs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG mentioned  that  the fiscal  note reflected  2.75                                                               
people providing service for 95 people.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  explained that typically  it takes four  attorneys to                                                               
handle the  caseload of  a superior court  judge.   The personnel                                                               
component reflected  in HB 172 is  a decrease from the  norm.  In                                                               
response to  questions by  Chair Rokeberg,  Mr. McCune  said that                                                               
the PDA's  fiscal note  for HB  172 would  not impact  the fiscal                                                               
note  for HB  4.   The two  pieces of  legislation have  separate                                                               
fiscal  impacts  with  regard  to  the PDA;  HB  4  would  extend                                                               
statewide ....  [Tape changed sides mid-sentence.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-37, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2480                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG noted  that "the credibility gap's got  to kind of                                                               
narrow up a little bit."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE agreed  to look as closely as possible  at [the fiscal                                                               
impact] of both pieces of legislation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2467                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY MARSHBURN, Director, Division  of Motor Vehicles, Department                                                               
of  Administration,  testified  via  teleconference.    She  said                                                               
simply that  HB 172 did  not directly  affect the division.   She                                                               
did, however, want to express support  of HB 172 from the general                                                               
standpoint of the problem with  alcohol as it relates to driving.                                                               
She  said  [the  division]  thinks   that  HB  172  coupled  with                                                               
treatment programs  will provide  more effective ways  of dealing                                                               
with offenders.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2448                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CANDACE BROWER,  Program Coordinator/Legislative  Liaison, Office                                                               
of the  Commissioner - Juneau,  Department of  Corrections (DOC),                                                               
offered that anytime  someone can be diverted from  the DOC there                                                               
would be a cost  savings to the state.  She  said she thinks that                                                               
the program  [created by HB 172]  is a tremendous idea,  and [the                                                               
DOC]  is hoping  that  treating offenders  will  create not  only                                                               
short-term  cost  savings, but  long-term  cost  savings as  well                                                               
because,   as  the   report  by   the  Alaska   Judicial  Council                                                               
highlighted, recidivism  will be reduced.   She noted  that prior                                                               
testimony  reflected that  if someone  can successfully  complete                                                               
treatment, the  savings, both  monetarily and  in terms  of human                                                               
resources, are  tremendous.  She  said the DOC fully  supports HB
172; [the DOC]  thinks that it is the key  to helping defer costs                                                               
in the  DOC, and in keeping  people out of jail.   She explained,                                                               
in response to  questions from Representative Ogan,  that part of                                                               
the wellness  court is  a compliance  component, which  creates a                                                               
necessity  for the  department to  monitor  offenders and  assist                                                               
them in staying  in compliance; that necessity is  the reason for                                                               
the positive fiscal  note.  She also said that  if the program is                                                               
successful, she would like to  see (although could not guarantee)                                                               
a decrease  in future funding  requests.  She noted  that another                                                               
item the DOC has been looking at,  and working on, was one of the                                                               
fiscal notes  for HB 4;  if some  people can be  diverted through                                                               
the therapeutic  court, those people would  not require treatment                                                               
within the DOC.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG agreed  that if  HB 172  passes, there  should be                                                               
savings.   He noted  that probation  officers (PO)  would provide                                                               
follow-up,  and acknowledged  that perhaps  not enough  resources                                                               
were being  directed toward  POs to  ensure proper  follow-up for                                                               
offenders.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2310                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES commented  that  although  she agreed  that                                                               
passage of HB  172 would create savings, she did  not see any way                                                               
to  calculate what  those savings  would  be.   In addition,  she                                                               
noted that there is always  a cost associated with implementing a                                                               
new program.   She said  it seemed to  her that the  whole theory                                                               
behind the concept  of therapeutic courts was to  keep drunks off                                                               
the  road, and  that  would certainly  generate private  savings,                                                               
both in lives and property.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROWER,  in response to  questions from  Representative Ogan,                                                               
said  that the  fiscal  note for  HB 172  was  based on  existing                                                               
substance-abuse  statutes,   and  not   on  any   other  proposed                                                               
legislation.   And  regardless of  other  legislation that  might                                                               
pass, the programs created by HB  172 would only serve a specific                                                               
number of offenders.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2178                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  WANAMAKER,  Judge,   Third  Judicial  District  Anchorage,                                                               
District    Court,   Alaska    Court   System,    testified   via                                                               
teleconference and  noted that he  was speaking as  an individual                                                               
judge  who runs  the wellness  court, and  not on  behalf of  the                                                               
entire ACS.   He said  the statements  of Mr. Guaneli  and others                                                               
reassured him that  HB 172 could be crafted so  that the existing                                                               
wellness  court  would  not  be placed  in  the  same  regulatory                                                               
structure as the  pilot felony court program.  He  also said that                                                               
there were  only three prosecutors  in Alaska:   one in  the DOL,                                                               
another in  the Municipality of  Anchorage, and the third  in the                                                               
City and Borough of Juneau.   Retaining a diversity of approaches                                                               
was healthy  and was  preserved [by  HB 172],  he opined,  thus a                                                               
large part of his concerns had been taken care of.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JUDGE  WANAMAKER noted  that HB  172  contained two  tools.   One                                                               
tool,  the provision  for suspending  mandatory sentences  when a                                                               
defendant has  completed a therapeutic  program, works  very well                                                               
with the therapeutic-court  concept, and he hoped  that that tool                                                               
would be made available to  the existing therapeutic courts.  The                                                               
second tool  is credit  for time served.   Currently,  credit for                                                               
time  served  is  done  by  judicial  decision;  it  is  an  area                                                               
warranting  serious  scrutiny if  the  intent  is to  change  the                                                               
current procedures.   As a  final point, Judge Wanamaker  said it                                                               
would be nice  if there were some legislative  recognition of the                                                               
existing wellness  court program at the  municipal district court                                                               
level, along  with some additional funds.   He noted that  he had                                                               
recently had  a philosophical discussion with  Chief Monagan (ph)                                                               
of the Anchorage  Police Department regarding the  point at which                                                               
the municipality steps in and  takes care of what would otherwise                                                               
be the state's  business in taking care of drunk  drivers, and to                                                               
what extent state funds should flow.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said  he wanted to applaud  Judge Wanamaker's work                                                               
with the  wellness court.   He affirmed that there  were proposed                                                               
amendments  that  would  ensure  that  the  existing  therapeutic                                                               
courts  were allowed  to continue.   He  noted, however,  that he                                                               
could not  make any promises  about additional funding  but would                                                               
work on that issue.  Chair  Rokeberg asked if Judge Wanamaker had                                                               
regained access to electronic monitoring (EM).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JUDGE WANAMAKER said yes and no.   In the application for bail it                                                               
had  been  done in  one  case,  and  proved  to be  a  successful                                                               
vehicle.   A judge worries,  when putting an  alcoholic defendant                                                               
out on  bail, about  whether he  or she  will kill  someone while                                                               
driving  and   about  the   safety  of  the   public.     In  the                                                               
aforementioned case,  the wellness  court had the  cooperation of                                                               
the DOC;  the defendant took  Naltrexone in jail for  three weeks                                                               
and then, in addition to  continuing Naltrexone, went on to house                                                               
arrest (HA)  with electronic monitoring  (EM), as a  condition of                                                               
bail.   This particular  case made  use of  a bail  plan combined                                                               
with  a treatment  plan.   He said  he felt  very safe  with that                                                               
defendant  being  out  on  those   conditions.    Further,  those                                                               
conditions  allowed   for  a  flow  right   into  treatment;  the                                                               
defendant has  been in the  program without any "slips"  for many                                                               
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  requested  that  Judge Wanamaker  speak  to  the                                                               
provisions regarding  the deadlines  for imposing the  entering a                                                               
plea and  a judgment of  conviction.  He acknowledged  that there                                                               
have  been  difficulties in  [the  wellness  court] and  thus  he                                                               
inquired as to how those  [deadlines] would work in [the wellness                                                               
court].                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1873                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JUDGE WANAMAKER  specified that the  [goal] of  therapeutic court                                                               
is to situate the defendant  such that the defendant can succeed.                                                               
Above all, there must be  cooperation from the prosecutor because                                                               
without it nothing is possible.   Judge Wanamaker said that he is                                                               
following a  "free-form" manner, and  therefore he felt  that the                                                               
bill is too restrictive in the  timelines and the manner in which                                                               
cases  come  forward.   He  pointed  out,  "Nothing gets  in  the                                                               
wellness court  or stays in  there without the  prosecutor's say-                                                               
so."  Therefore, the prosecutor  has control and doesn't need the                                                               
restrictions  in  the  bill.     In  further  response  to  Chair                                                               
Rokeberg, Judge  Wanamaker noted that  a prosecutor can,  case by                                                               
case, work out  the restitution and insurance claims  in the Rule                                                               
11 agreements.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  asked  that  Judge   Wanamaker  review  for  the                                                               
committee, what  happens when a  typical client comes  before the                                                               
wellness  court, specifically  as  it relates  to  the plea,  the                                                               
timing, and the  conviction.  He asked  if, ultimately, suspended                                                               
impositions are done.  He also  inquired as to how the individual                                                               
typically pleas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JUDGE  WANAMAKER answered  that there  would always  be a  guilty                                                               
plea or a no-contest plea.   He explained that typically there is                                                               
an  agreement   with  the  prosecutor  that   if  the  individual                                                               
completes the  treatment, some charge  will be dismissed  or some                                                               
minimum  jail time  will be  imposed.   Therefore, the  agreement                                                               
includes a  benefit to the  defendant if the  defendant completes                                                               
treatment.   Typically,  if the  defendant  doesn't complete  the                                                               
treatment, the defendant faces open  sentencing by the judge.  In                                                               
further  response to  Chair Rokeberg,  Judge Wanamaker  specified                                                               
that  the agreed-upon  period  of  time a  client  is before  the                                                               
[wellness court] is  18 months.  He pointed out  that it takes at                                                               
least  18 months  to  rid a  person's system  of  the effects  of                                                               
alcohol, though  in some  cases, the  prosecutor and  the defense                                                               
will settle  on a shorter time,  such as nine months.   In regard                                                               
to the  dismissal of  other charges,  Judge Wanamaker  noted that                                                               
almost  every DWI  [which he  sees]  has an  associated crime  of                                                               
driving with  a revoked license,  which has  mandatory penalties.                                                               
In  such  a case,  the  prosecution  will typically  dismiss  the                                                               
charge of driving with a revoked license.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1661                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY  UNDERWOOD,  testifying  via  teleconference,  informed  the                                                               
committee  that  she had  a  daughter  who  was in  the  wellness                                                               
program.   Ms.  Underwood  noted  her support  of  HB  172.   She                                                               
related her  belief that  alcoholism is a  disease and  should be                                                               
treated  as  such.    "Ninety-eight percent  of  the  country  is                                                               
affected by  someone with  an addiction,"  she said.   Therefore,                                                               
everyone knows someone who is affected by this disease.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. UNDERWOOD  expressed the need for  HB 172 to apply  to felons                                                               
at the  state level.   "If this is  kept at a  misdemeanor level,                                                               
the  courts will  be overrun  with these  cases," she  predicted.                                                               
She also  predicted that most  of these individuals  would become                                                               
repeat offenders until they reach  the felon level, at which time                                                               
the individual  will leave the  wellness program.   Putting these                                                               
individuals in jail is not  the answer because they won't receive                                                               
the necessary  help or  treatment.  Ms.  Underwood said  that she                                                               
has witnessed,  firsthand, the improvement of  the individuals in                                                               
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1479                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ERNIE  TURNER, Director,  Division  of Alcoholism  & Drug  Abuse,                                                               
Department  of  Health &  Social  Services  (DHSS), testified  in                                                               
support of therapeutic courts, wellness  courts, drug courts, and                                                               
other  similar courts.   He  informed  the committee  that for  a                                                               
time, he  worked for  a state that  had deferred  prosecution for                                                               
all DWIs.   In that program, there was a  69 percent success rate                                                               
after   two  years.     Therefore,   those  69   percent  weren't                                                               
prosecuted.  One  of those individuals is  Mr. Turner's daughter.                                                               
Mr.  Turner  related the  [department's]  belief  that the  pilot                                                               
projects would  work on an  outpatient basis with  the Naltrexone                                                               
and the EM.   He expressed his  hope that the norm  in all courts                                                               
will  be  deferred  sentencing  or   prosecution  as  well  as  a                                                               
treatment  program  that  treats  the  disease  rather  than  the                                                               
symptoms/problems of the disease.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  inquired as  to the fiscal  note prepared  by the                                                               
division.   Chair  Rokeberg  said  that he  was  unclear how  the                                                               
$501.3  [thousand]  in total  operating  costs  for FY  2002  was                                                               
determined in  light of the  $6,821 per patient in  the Anchorage                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1310                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LOREN JONES,  Director, CMH/API Replacement Project,  Division of                                                               
Mental  Health  and  Developmental  Disabilities,  Department  of                                                               
Health  &  Social  Services,  informed  the  committee  that  the                                                               
parties  involved in  drafting this  legislation  agreed that  an                                                               
intensive outpatient  program for one year  would be appropriate.                                                               
Therefore,  the total  program is  based on  an intensive  basis,                                                               
which  would  be more  intensive  at  the beginning  and  dwindle                                                               
through  the  year.    He  specified  that  [the  cost]  includes                                                               
urinalyses (URs), Naltrexone,  physical exams, and administrative                                                               
costs for developing reports for  the court.  Furthermore, all of                                                               
this  was  based on  the  current  Medicaid regulations  and  the                                                               
amount paid  for this service  under the Medicaid  program, which                                                               
amounted to $6,821  per person.  That  per-person Medicaid amount                                                               
was multiplied  by the 80 people  in the Anchorage court  and the                                                               
15  people  in  the  Bethel  court,  for  a  total  of  $545,000.                                                               
Furthermore, it  was computed that  about 25 percent of  the cost                                                               
would be  covered by the  80 individuals paying for  that portion                                                               
of their  treatment on a  sliding-fee scale.  Therefore,  the net                                                               
cost to  the state  is $409,000  in Anchorage.   For the  cost in                                                               
Bethel,  only 10  percent  was subtracted  because  the area  has                                                               
fewer people that  have the income to contribute.   Thus, the net                                                               
cost to  the state is  $92,081 in Bethel.   Adding the  totals of                                                               
$409,000  and $92,081  results in  the  $501.3 [thousand]  fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1183                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG commented  that the  ASAP (Alcohol  Safety Action                                                               
Program) had  been missed  and probably should  be placed  in the                                                               
fiscal note too.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES  pointed out  that  the  probation officer  who  would                                                               
oversee  the  treatment   and  the  court  is   included  in  the                                                               
Department  of Corrections'  fiscal note.   He  specified, "These                                                               
persons would not be part of the ASAP program."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked if the  individual would have to  have been                                                               
referred to  the ASAP in  order to enter the  [therapeutic court]                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES related  his understanding  that  generally, the  ASAP                                                               
referral  occurs  after  sentencing.    In  this  bill,  once  an                                                               
individual is  accepted in the  [therapeutic court]  program, the                                                               
individual  would enter  a plea.    Upon sentencing,  all of  the                                                               
conditions  would then  take place.   Normally,  in other  courts                                                               
this would be the point at  which an individual would be referred                                                               
to the ASAP.   However, [under HB 172] these  individuals will be                                                               
kept within  the wellness  [court] program  and will  continue to                                                               
return  to  court.    The probation  officer  would  perform  the                                                               
oversight.  Therefore, [the DHSS's  fiscal note] reports the cost                                                               
of the treatment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  said he  thought that after  there was  a charge,                                                               
prior to the conviction, the ASAP would enter in.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES specified  that it is normally after a  conviction.  He                                                               
said, "Generally, the  court order reads that you  will report to                                                               
[the] ASAP  and follow the  conditions thereof."  In  some cases,                                                               
the individual,  the defense  attorneys, or  the court  will seek                                                               
treatment  prior  to  going  to court.    However,  normally  the                                                               
official assignment to the ASAP occurs upon sentencing.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1051                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   ROKEBERG  related   the  current   situation  in   [Judge                                                               
Wanamaker's court]  in which the  $100 for  ASAP and the  $50 for                                                               
Naltrexone are paid, and the individual is sent out the door.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES pointed  out that "we" were specific in  that "we" felt                                                               
that with  all the timelines set  by the court and  the voluntary                                                               
nature of this  [program], the treatment had to  be available and                                                               
effective.  There couldn't be a  waitlist.  He expressed the need                                                               
for the  treatment to be  tied to the  actions of the  court, the                                                               
judge,  and  the probation  officer.    Therefore, the  treatment                                                               
needs  to  be dedicated  to  these  individuals  and thus  it  is                                                               
different from Judge Wanamaker's court.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES,  in further  response to  Chair Rokeberg,  agreed that                                                               
some  of  the  waitlist  could  be  overcome  with  the  funding,                                                               
specifically for those on an  outpatient basis in Anchorage.  Mr.                                                               
Jones  reiterated  that  this  program   would  be  an  intensive                                                               
outpatient program.   However, if this bill was  passed, it would                                                               
take  some  of  the  pressure off  the  outpatient  waitlists  in                                                               
Anchorage  and Bethel.   After  the assessment,  if there  is the                                                               
need for  residential monitoring,  then they  would try  to place                                                               
the person  in residential care.   That cost was not  included in                                                               
the fiscal note  and thus would be absorbed  [by the department].                                                               
He related  the department's  belief that  most persons  could be                                                               
maintained  in  an  intensive  outpatient   program  due  to  the                                                               
enhanced monitoring and intensiveness of the outpatient program.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER  interjected that he  has spoken with some  people who                                                               
have taken Naltrexone  who say that it  has completely eliminated                                                               
their  compulsion to  drink.   Therefore, the  hope is  that with                                                               
Naltrexone and EM, the individual  can comply with the outpatient                                                               
program  and  not  need  to  enter  an  inpatient  program.    He                                                               
highlighted  that this  could result  in a  cost savings  if this                                                               
program works.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  mentioned that  there  is  another drug,  Bufano                                                               
(ph), which has experienced some efficacy in Europe and Canada.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0856                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER asked if everyone can use Naltrexone.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TURNER  explained that Naltrexone  has to be prescribed  by a                                                               
physician.  There  could be some side effects to  Naltrexone.  As                                                               
with any drug  that a person has to  metabolize, Naltrexone would                                                               
probably not  be prescribed to  a person with a  severely damaged                                                               
liver.   Therefore, the use of  Naltrexone will occur on  a case-                                                               
by-case basis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER  expressed his  hope that  these therapeutic                                                               
courts will become  common [before] the end of  the trial period,                                                               
which  he   hopes  will   only  last  six   months  to   a  year.                                                               
Representative Meyer  inquired as to  the success rate  in regard                                                               
to residential versus outpatient treatment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TURNER  pointed  out  that   the  two  are  very  different.                                                               
Individuals in  outpatient treatment are assessed  in the earlier                                                               
stages of  the disease and their  problems are a lot  less severe                                                               
than those  in inpatient  [facilities].  He  also noted  that the                                                               
earlier a disease  is identified, the better chance  there is for                                                               
recovery.  Mr. Turner surmised  that in therapeutic court some of                                                               
these  individuals   will  be   assessed  as   needing  inpatient                                                               
treatment.   However, EM  and Naltrexone would  end the  need for                                                               
inpatient [treatment].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0695                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  M.   RICHARD,  Municipal  Prosecutor,   Criminal  Division,                                                               
Municipality  of  Anchorage  Department  of  Law,  testified  via                                                               
teleconference.  Mr. Richard stated his  support of [HB 172].  He                                                               
reviewed  the chronology  of the  mental health  court and  Judge                                                               
Wanamaker's  wellness   court,  which   he  believes  to   be  an                                                               
extraordinary  accomplishment.    Furthermore, he  expressed  his                                                               
pleasure in  seeing the adequate  funding and forethought  by the                                                               
legislature in ratcheting this up  a notch to the superior court.                                                               
However,  Mr. Richard  expressed concern  about the  12,000 cases                                                               
handled in  district court because that  is a lot of  people that                                                               
need help.   He estimated that  below 10 percent or  perhaps even                                                               
below  5 percent  of the  people  in district  court have  felony                                                               
records  and   almost  all  felony  offenders   have  misdemeanor                                                               
records.   In  regard  to  addressing the  disease  in its  early                                                               
stages  in   the  criminal  justice   system,  that   would  mean                                                               
addressing it  in district  court because  people go  to district                                                               
court before going to superior court.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  requested that Mr. Richard  review the difference                                                               
in  the  percentage  of  DWIs  handled  by  the  Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage  versus the  state.   He also  requested Mr.  Richard's                                                               
analysis  of the  state's position  regarding  wellness court  to                                                               
this point.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARD  informed the  committee  that  the Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage's  jurisdiction  is  limited to  misdemeanor  offenses.                                                               
The  municipal prosecutor's  office began  in approximately  1975                                                               
when a  couple of  positions were authorized  by the  assembly in                                                               
order  to help  out the  [state] District  Attorneys office  with                                                               
some traffic cases, which he recalled  were "fined" as DWIs.  The                                                               
municipal  prosecutor's office  has expanded  to employ  about 35                                                               
people, of which a bit fewer  than half are lawyers.  This office                                                               
handles about  12,000 new  misdemeanor filings  a year  and 1,500                                                               
petitions  for revoked  probation.   Also, in  recent years  this                                                               
office has  reassumed responsibility  for about  10,000 contested                                                               
traffic cases a  year.  The state, on the  other hand, can handle                                                               
all the misdemeanors that it  wants to, although the state's role                                                               
in  misdemeanors has  diminished, as  has its  ability to  devote                                                               
resources  to  misdemeanors.   Therefore,  it  has been  "a  good                                                               
thing" that the  municipality has been able to pick  up the slack                                                               
so far.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARD  also informed  the  committee  that when  the  city                                                               
assumed  responsibility for  practically  all the  driving-while-                                                               
license-suspended (DWLS)  cases, it amounted to  about 40 percent                                                               
of the [state] District  Attorneys office's misdemeanor caseload.                                                               
The  District  Attorneys  office  still  handles  violations  for                                                               
domestic  violence  restraining  orders,  which are  not  on  the                                                               
[Municipality  of]  Anchorage  books.   He  said  he  thinks  the                                                               
violations  for  domestic  violence restraining  orders  and  the                                                               
felony DWIs are  the major mission of the  misdemeanor section of                                                               
the  Anchorage [prosecutor's]  office.   This approach  is fairly                                                               
consistent  because the  district  court handles  all the  felony                                                               
DWIs.    He clarified  that  the  district  court judges  act  as                                                               
superior court judges pro tem when handling the felony DWIs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG surmised  that could  be due  to the  caseload at                                                               
that level.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARD answered,  "I suppose."  He said that  it would be "a                                                               
good  thing"  if  adding  a superior  court  judge  in  Anchorage                                                               
allowed a district court judge to do district court work.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0105                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARD turned to the  state's position on the time sequence,                                                               
which he says he understands and  agrees with.  If all those days                                                               
are added,  the sum is  120 days.   Mr. Richard pointed  out that                                                               
until after an  individual is sentenced, the  individual can move                                                               
to withdraw  the plea  for any  fair and  just reason,  which has                                                               
been  liberally   interpreted  in   this  jurisdiction.     After                                                               
sentencing,  a  plea  may  be withdrawn  to  correct  a  manifest                                                               
injustice,  which is  a more  difficult situation.   Mr.  Richard                                                               
said he believes  that to be the basis for  the state's position,                                                               
and he  agrees with  it.  However,  he emphasized  that sometimes                                                               
prosecutors and judges have to take  chances on people.  He said,                                                               
"The way  we handle the  case doesn't  involve taking a  plea and                                                               
...."  [Tape ended mid-sentence.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-38, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0016                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARD referred  to  [the program  at]  Akeela House,  Inc.                                                               
(Akeela), which  is for 18 months.   He noted that  the Salvation                                                               
Army  Adult Rehabilitation  Program  is used.    That program  is                                                               
between 12 and 18 months, and  is not state approved.  Sometimes,                                                               
all that time is necessary.   He informed the committee of one of                                                               
his larger successes,  which involved a young woman  who had been                                                               
abused as a young child.  This  young woman was on the streets as                                                               
a teen  and became a cocaine  addict and prostitute.   This young                                                               
woman  was in  court on  about a  dozen DWLS  cases for  which he                                                               
threatened  the maximum  time on  all  those cases.   This  young                                                               
woman ended  up successfully completing  [the program  at] Akeela                                                               
and having a normal adult  life.  This illustrates that sometimes                                                               
it is necessary to use more  time than the structure of this bill                                                               
would allow.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0242                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARMEN CLARKWEEKS,  Private Criminal Defense  Attorney, testified                                                               
via teleconference.   She  informed the committee  that she  is a                                                               
former prosecutor  for the  State of Alaska,  and worked  for the                                                               
Appellate  Union Division  for the  [Municipality] of  Anchorage;                                                               
she  also  was   the  Deputy  Chief  Prosecutor   and  the  Chief                                                               
Prosecutor for the [Municipality] of  Anchorage.  She related her                                                               
experience  with drafting  legislation  for  the Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage.  She  informed the committee that four  of her drafted                                                               
pieces  of criminal  legislation  are currently  at the  National                                                               
Model   Law  Institute   for  suggested   model  law   for  other                                                               
jurisdictions.   Ms. Clarkweeks  related her  belief that  she is                                                               
probably the  only attorney who  has appeared in  wellness court,                                                               
mental health  court, and  "overall attorney  court" as  both the                                                               
prosecutor and  defense attorney.   Therefore, she felt  that she                                                               
had some special insight.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS remarked  that HB 172 is, in theory,  a good piece                                                               
of legislation,  and she said  that she  would share her  view on                                                               
ways  to  address  some  of the  aforementioned  concerns.    She                                                               
directed the committee to page  4, line 21, subsection (k), which                                                               
has two conditions  for bail or probation.   She suggested moving                                                               
subsection (m) to  be a third condition for bail  or probation in                                                               
order  to solve  potential problems  or conflicts  with the  U.S.                                                               
Supreme  Court cases  that discuss  forcibly requiring  people to                                                               
submit to  medication between  a change  of plea  and sentencing.                                                               
Additionally, she  suggested that  by adding a  fourth condition,                                                               
which  would  require  an  individual to  pay  restitution  as  a                                                               
condition of bail,  then Mr. Guaneli's fear that  victims will be                                                               
left without  restitution for a  long time  can be avoided.   Ms.                                                               
Clarkweeks agreed  with Mr. Guaneli  regarding the  importance of                                                               
victim satisfaction.   However,  she said,  when victims  come to                                                               
wellness and mental  health court, they become  supportive of the                                                               
recovery of the offender 99 percent of the time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0492                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS informed  the committee that she  taught a seminar                                                               
regarding  [restitution]  in  Nygren   v.  State,  which  is  the                                                             
decision that discusses receiving  credit for time [served] under                                                               
electronic monitoring  (EM).  Her  experience with this  case has                                                               
led to  her suggestion  to delete subsection  (l) entirely.   She                                                               
explained   that   the   Nygren   decision  says   that   "as   a                                                             
constitutional rule,  based on  both the  due process  clause and                                                               
the  equal  protection  clause,  an individual  who  on  bail  is                                                               
subject  to  restrictions  that   are  substantial  restraint  on                                                               
liberty,  the  equivalent  of incarceration,  (indisc.)  entitles                                                               
credit."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS said  she was not sure that  the legislature could                                                               
change constitutional  law in this  way.   In the past  there was                                                               
not  legislative authority  for  EM  as a  condition  of bail  or                                                               
sentence and  thus those requesting  credit for time spent  on EM                                                               
as a  condition of bail  have been  denied.  Ms.  Clarkweeks also                                                               
informed  the  committee  of an  unpublished  [Alaska]  Court  of                                                               
Appeals  decision regarding  the  case of  Jeffrey Jack  McCraken                                                               
(ph),  who  requested credit  for  time  he spent  on  electronic                                                               
monitoring between  his conviction  and the  time his  appeal was                                                               
decided.    This  unpublished  decision   said  that  "relief  of                                                               
electronic  monitoring   was  not  the  same   as  a  substantial                                                               
restriction on incarceration, that it was similar to jail."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS said  that decision and the "Laws  v. Gunter (ph)"                                                             
decision took  place before the  DOC had a program  that released                                                               
people for EM.   Now that the DOC allows EM  to be credit towards                                                               
jail time,  it will be interesting  to say that EM  as bail isn't                                                               
the same  as what  the DOC  does.   Ms. Clarkweeks  expressed the                                                               
need for that  to be decided in the courts  rather than to hinder                                                               
this legislation,  particularly when the  judge has the  power to                                                               
decide the sentence as he or she so chooses.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0700                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS  noted that  as a  criminal defense  attorney, she                                                               
represents people currently  in wellness court, who  she said are                                                               
motivated, although  they can't get their  presumptive sentencing                                                               
taken  away.   Therefore,  she  said,  "My  clients, who  are  on                                                               
electronic monitoring  for six  or seven  months, who  are coming                                                               
into court  once every three  weeks to  meet with the  judge, are                                                               
doing all those  things in recognition that in the  end, they are                                                               
going  to get  little  or  no consideration  for  it.   They  are                                                               
motivated  simply by  the fear  that if  they don't  change their                                                               
life  now, they  are  going to  hurt someone  badly  ... or  that                                                               
they're  going to  die or  they're going  to rot  in jail."   She                                                               
mentioned that prosecutors  have said to her  that wellness court                                                               
is an  "easy out" for the  defendant, but that isn't  so, because                                                               
the defendant receives almost no  benefit.  Furthermore, wellness                                                               
court is "hard work."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKWEEKS  informed  the  committee  that  people  who  are                                                               
currently in  a wellness court  with a presumptive  (indisc.) are                                                               
people with  DWIs, for  the most part,  and the  [state] District                                                               
Attorneys  office has  objected  to every  person being  admitted                                                               
into that  program.  When  people do  get into the  program, [the                                                               
District Attorneys office] has insisted  that they leave wellness                                                               
court as  a condition of  getting charges dismissed.   Therefore,                                                               
one could  not continue  in wellness court  and receive  the same                                                               
rules and  agreements that would  be afforded in  criminal court.                                                               
She  indicated  that the  same  situation  occurs in  the  mental                                                               
health court.   Ms. Clarkweeks pointed out  that the Municipality                                                               
of Anchorage  has 95 percent  of the  people who are  in wellness                                                               
court, while the State of Alaska  has about 5 percent.  She said,                                                               
"I have  been told  to my  face, both  as a  prosecutor and  as a                                                               
defense attorney, 'We  don't want to be  probation officers; it's                                                               
a waste of  our time to sit  there in court and have  to hear how                                                               
these people are doing.'"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0902                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKWEEKS predicted  that this  attitude, coupled  with the                                                               
provisions  in HB  172, which  provides people  with more  credit                                                               
than  they currently  receive, will  cause  the [state]  District                                                               
Attorneys  office  to have  more  resistance.   She  related  her                                                               
belief  that the  District Attorneys  office will  only agree  to                                                               
utilize wellness court in cases  in which [the District Attorneys                                                               
office] has  weak proof  of the offense.   She  emphasized, "Weak                                                               
cases legally, as opposed to offenders  who are best suited to be                                                               
in the  program, is a  bad standard."   She said such  a standard                                                               
will likely lead to the program's failure.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKWEEKS, for  the foregoing  reasons, suggested  that the                                                               
committee change subsection  (e) on page 3 so that  it would read                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     "A  criminal  case may  be  referred  to a  therapeutic                                                                    
     court  upon   the  request   of  the   prosecutor,  the                                                                    
     defendant, or  the court if the  defendant's request is                                                                    
     made  within 45  days of  arraignment.   The court  may                                                                    
     accept a  defendant into the  therapeutic court  if the                                                                    
     defendant is  not charged with an  unclassified felony,                                                                    
     a class  A felony, or  an offense under AS  11.41.410 -                                                                    
     11.41.470, so long as the  defendant is appropriate for                                                                    
     the therapeutic  model and meets  the standards  of the                                                                    
     court."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
This language would  allow a presumably neutral  fact finder, the                                                               
judge,  to  determine  whether   the  defendant's  background  is                                                               
suitable for  the program  versus whether there  is a  weak case.                                                               
Ms. Clarkweeks related  her belief that requiring  the consent of                                                               
the prosecutor is a bad idea.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1101                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS  turned to  the timeline  and noted  her agreement                                                               
that people  should be  allowed to  opt in to  the program.   She                                                               
explained  that  her  objection  to  the  45  days  specified  in                                                               
subsection (e)  is because there  isn't discovery at  that point.                                                               
She  said, "It  isn't fair  to make  a criminal  defense attorney                                                               
give advice  to a client  before they've  had a chance  to review                                                               
the  tape recording,  read the  file, look  at the  photographs."                                                               
Therefore, she  indicated the  need to  change that  provision to                                                               
refer to 45 days to completion of discovery.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKWEEKS  agreed that  there should be  early plea  once an                                                               
individual is  in the program.   However, she disagreed  with the                                                               
fast sentencing for  the following reasons.   First, she believes                                                               
that  there  will  be  more  startup  difficulties  in  obtaining                                                               
treatment  than  the  DOC recognizes.    Second,  Ms.  Clarkweeks                                                               
disagreed with the  120 days.  She emphasized the  need to remove                                                               
the  45 days  [the time  from which  the defendant's  arraignment                                                               
occurs] from  the 120 days.   Upon the defendant's  entrance into                                                               
therapeutic court, there would be  45 days in which the defendant                                                               
would need to enter  a plea.  After the entry  of the plea, there                                                               
would  be  30  days  for  the   court  to  enter  a  judgment  of                                                               
conviction.    Therefore,  there   would  possibly  be  75  days,                                                               
assuming  the  individual  starts  treatment  when  the  plea  is                                                               
changed, which will be difficult.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKWEEKS informed  the committee  that  in wellness  court                                                               
Judge Wanamaker requires the individual  to do (indisc.) meetings                                                               
in 90  days as a function  of enforcing the [use  of] Naltrexone,                                                               
which an  individual has  to take  for a  certain period  of time                                                               
before  knowing if  it's working.    The individual  only has  75                                                               
days, which  doesn't work  practically to  provide the  amount of                                                               
time to  know if  the treatment  is working.   That 75  days also                                                               
doesn't work for  Ms. Clarkweeks, as a  sentencing judge, because                                                               
she would  want to  know that  these people  can be  sober longer                                                               
than 75  days before sentencing.   She  emphasized, "Seventy-five                                                               
days doesn't  do it if  you're talking about reducing  a ten-year                                                               
presumptive  term  to  zero."    In  conclusion,  Ms.  Clarkweeks                                                               
suggested  that the  committee could  add  the quick  sentencing,                                                               
restitution,  and  victim's  statement  as a  condition  of  bail                                                               
rather than "speed up the sentencing."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  requested that  Ms. Clarkweeks  mark up  the bill                                                               
and write a short memorandum  [regarding her suggestions] to send                                                               
to the committee.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1321                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JULIE  KITKA,  President,  Alaska Federation  of  Natives  (AFN),                                                               
testified via teleconference.   Ms. Kitka related  that there are                                                               
still  many  questions  regarding  how  this  would  work.    She                                                               
questioned  whether  the court  in  Anchorage  and the  court  in                                                               
Bethel would  develop separately, one  as an urban model  and the                                                               
other  as  a  rural  model.    Furthermore,  there  are  concerns                                                               
regarding  whether this  would be  adequately funded  as well  as                                                               
having the  memoranda of  agreement worked  out with  the various                                                               
parties  involved.   In regard  to  the Bethel  court, she  said,                                                               
there is  no knowledge of  the views  of those in  Western Alaska                                                               
regarding  whether this  model would  be used  as a  mechanism to                                                               
resolve  these  issues.   However,  Ms.  Kitka  complimented  the                                                               
sponsor's attempt to look at  alternatives to the current system,                                                               
which AFN  is very  interested in.   She noted  that AFN  is also                                                               
interested in  ways to  reduce recidivism  and deal  with alcohol                                                               
and drug abuse.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KITKA  informed the  committee  that  AFN  had a  number  of                                                               
meetings this  past year  with the  [U.S.] Department  of Justice                                                               
regarding alcohol  and substance  abuse.  She  expressed pleasure                                                               
in the fact that [former]  U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno began                                                               
a  directive to  identify the  best practices  and strategies  to                                                               
reduce  alcohol and  substance abuse  among American  Indians and                                                               
Alaska Natives.   A report  on these best practices  was produced                                                               
in  August  2000 by  the  Department  of  Justice.   One  of  the                                                               
promising  practices  that  is particularly  relevant  to  Native                                                               
Americans  is the  Pueblo  Zuni Recovery  Center  in New  Mexico.                                                               
This recovery center  takes a holistic approach  to the different                                                               
segments of the  community that are affected  by substance abuse.                                                               
This   recovery  center   has  three   primary  programs:     the                                                               
comprehensive  day  treatment program,  the  DWI  school, and  an                                                               
underage drinking initiative.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KITKA  further explained that  although these  programs focus                                                               
on  different   populations,  the  underlying  core   mission  of                                                               
reducing  the incidence  of chemical  dependency  is [present  in                                                               
all].    This  underlying  mission is  achieved  by  helping  the                                                               
clients to  address their underlying  issues with  dependency and                                                               
to embrace a  healthier lifestyle.  The clients  of this recovery                                                               
center  are received  from  the tribal  court  that orders  these                                                               
people  to this  recovery center.   Ms.  Kitka remarked  that the                                                               
Pueblo Zuni  Recovery Center is  a model  worthy of review.   She                                                               
also suggested that this legislation  could be modified such that                                                               
the Bethel therapeutic  court could use a holistic  approach.  In                                                               
conclusion, Ms. Kitka informed the  committee that AFN is working                                                               
on alcohol  control and ways  to promote sobriety.   The holistic                                                               
approach  is  being  reviewed as  well  as  restorative  justice.                                                               
Therefore,  AFN   does  support   the  legislature   in  creating                                                               
alternative opportunities.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  related  his belief  that  this  legislation  is                                                               
intentionally  drafted  as  uncodified  state  law  in  order  to                                                               
provide  flexibility to  the judge.    Therefore, presumably  the                                                               
judge assigned to Bethel will  have that ability.  Chair Rokeberg                                                               
said, "I think  that there is, clearly,  the flexibility involved                                                               
in this  bill to do precisely  what you're endeavoring to  do out                                                               
there in terms of the holistic or restorative justice approach."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KITKA  announced that AFN  will follow this closely  and will                                                               
attempt  to  provide the  committee  with  some specific  written                                                               
amendments and comments.  She  reiterated her hope to continue to                                                               
work   with    the   legislature   in    developing   alternative                                                               
opportunities that would address the root of the problem.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1771                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANET McCABE,  Chair, Board of  Directors, Partners  for Downtown                                                               
Progress,  testified  via  teleconference.   She  explained  that                                                               
Partners for  Downtown Progress is  a nonprofit  corporation that                                                               
addresses  social  problems  in  the  community.    Specifically,                                                               
Partners for  Downtown Progress has  worked with  Judge Wanamaker                                                               
to support  the wellness court.   Partners for  Downtown Progress                                                               
has  applied for  and  obtained funding  from  the Department  of                                                               
Justice; this funding has paid for  some of the noncourt costs of                                                               
the  program.    Ms.  McCabe  said  that  Partners  for  Downtown                                                               
Progress strongly  supports the therapeutic court  approach.  Ms.                                                               
McCabe  noted  that she  had  submitted  her suggestions  to  the                                                               
committee.  The  first suggestion is to add a  new subsection (b)                                                               
that reads as follows:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     It is  the intent of  the legislature to  recognize and                                                                  
     continue  the Anchorage  Wellness Court  as a  separate                                                                  
     Therapeutic  Court which  has already  demonstrated the                                                                  
     success of  the therapeutic  court approach  and passed                                                                  
     beyond the  pilot project stage.   It is the  intent of                                                                  
     the legislature that the Wellness  Court continue to be                                                                  
     made  available to  municipal  defendants charged  with                                                                  
     misdemeanor crimes  arising from addiction to  or abuse                                                                  
     of alcohol,  including misdemeanor charges  for driving                                                                  
     under the influence  of alcohol (DUI), but  that it not                                                                  
     be  bound  by  operating  procedures set  out  for  the                                                                  
     felony Therapeutic Court."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG interjected  that he believes that  would be dealt                                                               
with in an amendment that the committee has.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1848                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE  pointed out  that the  Department of  Justice funding                                                               
that  supports the  extra  court costs  related  to the  wellness                                                               
court is  going expire December 2001.   Without a fiscal  note or                                                               
federal funds  supporting the  wellness court,  there will  be no                                                               
funding for it.  Therefore,  she emphasized the importance of the                                                               
fiscal  note [for  HB 172]  to include  funding for  the wellness                                                               
court.   She specified that  the best  way to handle  the funding                                                               
would be  for it to  go directly  to the municipality.   Partners                                                               
for Downtown  Progress would like  to participate as  a nonprofit                                                               
and  "lend  what  remaining  money   we  have  from  our  grant."                                                               
However,  she  expressed  the  need  to  have  the  legislature's                                                               
partnership.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  asked if the grant  was for $150,000 over  a one-                                                               
year period.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE  indicated that  the grant is  getting extended.   She                                                               
explained   that   Partners   for  Downtown   Progress   supports                                                               
individuals up  to $1,000 for  their treatment and for  the first                                                               
doses  of  Naltrexone as  well  as  some scholarships  for  group                                                               
therapy.  Ms.  McCabe said that she felt  that [using therapeutic                                                               
courts] is a good approach and cost-effective.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG inquired as to the annualized budget.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE  reiterated that the  annualized budget  was $150,000,                                                               
but the Partners  for Downtown Progress is  attempting to stretch                                                               
that  amount  [over]  18  months,  which  will  barely  cover  40                                                               
participants.   [This program] has  relied on the  friendship and                                                               
goodwill  of the  prosecutor, defender,  and court  system.   "We                                                               
can't keep  costing them  money and  not pay  for it,"  she said.                                                               
She specified  the need for more  money for the defender  side of                                                               
the  municipality  as well  as  for  the  ability to  cover  more                                                               
people.    Ms. McCabe  stated  that  this program  needs  between                                                               
$300,000 and  $400,000 annually in  order to serve  40-70 people.                                                               
That  money should  go  [directly] to  the  municipality and  the                                                               
court system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1970                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE continued  her testimony and noted  her strong support                                                               
of  Ms. Clarkweeks'  testimony regarding  relying too  heavily on                                                               
the DOL  to support this  program.  In the  past the DOL  has not                                                               
indicated  its support  of the  therapeutic  court approach,  Ms.                                                               
McCabe said; therefore,  she was in support of  modifying page 3,                                                               
lines 23-27,  as suggested  by Ms. Clarkweeks.   Ms.  McCabe also                                                               
urged the  committee to delete  the time deadline for  entering a                                                               
plea and for entering a judgment of conviction.  She said:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     These provisions  do not recognize that  each case must                                                                    
     be handled  individually in a  therapeutic court.   And                                                                    
     this  is one  of the  critical elements  to making  the                                                                    
     process work.   We would note that  judges are selected                                                                    
     for  their good  judgment,  and state  law  ... is  not                                                                    
     needed  to override  their judgment  ... by  imposing a                                                                    
     specific time deadline.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The therapeutic  judges are trained  in this process, and  one of                                                               
the  items emphasized  is the  rapid timing  involved in  getting                                                               
people  into  treatment.    She  remarked  that  Mr.  Guaneli  is                                                               
mistaken  in  claiming that  treatment  will  be delayed  without                                                               
deadlines.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE turned  to the issue of EM and  urged the committee to                                                               
delete subsection (l) on page 4, line 26.  She said:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The HAP/EM  program, authorized  by the  legislature in                                                                    
     1998, has  proved to be a  highly effective therapeutic                                                                    
     treatment  for  addicted  offenders.    Defendants  are                                                                    
     strictly constrained  and monitored.   Their activities                                                                    
     are highly limited, and  sobriety is strictly enforced.                                                                    
     However, they  are able  to pay for  the cost  of their                                                                    
     own treatment.  It really is at no cost to the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Furthermore,  she   said,  HAP/EM  makes  it   possible  for  the                                                               
defendant  to  earn money  to  pay  restitution, which  would  be                                                               
difficult to  do in  jail.  Ms.  McCabe directed  the committee's                                                               
attention  to the  law  it  passed in  1998,  which  she read  as                                                               
clearly saying  that HAP/EM  is the equivalent  of jail  and that                                                               
there  is no  effective difference  in the  way that  the program                                                               
works for sentenced and unsentenced prisoners.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  requested that Ms. McCabe  discuss the "grubstake                                                               
program."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. McCABE explained  that participants sign a plan  in which the                                                               
participant  agrees  to  pay  for half  the  cost  of  treatment.                                                               
[Partners  for Downtown  Progress] pays  up to  $800 or  half the                                                               
cost of  treatment, whichever  is less.   [Partners  for Downtown                                                               
Progress] also  pays for  the first  month of  Naltrexone because                                                               
often these individuals  are in a halfway house  where they can't                                                               
obtain  it.    [Partners  for Downtown  Progress]  also  provides                                                               
scholarships for  group programs that  the judge includes  in the                                                               
court order.  Ms. McCabe said, "It has worked very well."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2176                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK JAMES,  Attorney, began  by saying  that an  armed robber                                                               
doesn't  start off  as  an armed  robber but  rather  as a  petty                                                               
thief.   Generally,  this individual  is going  to be  present in                                                               
juvenile court  or district court,  which is an  appropriate time                                                               
for   intervention.     However,   superior   court  deals   with                                                               
individuals who have  a long history of criminal  activity.  From                                                               
the  defender's  point  of  view,  if  an  individual  can  enter                                                               
treatment prior  to entering a  plea and be given  Nygren credit,                                                               
then  it is  a  win-win  situation.   In  such  a situation,  the                                                               
individual  has tried  to  rectify the  situation  and the  DOC's                                                               
burden   of   housing   the   individual   has   been   relieved.                                                               
Furthermore,  the individual  is  paying for  this,  which is  an                                                               
incentive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES said  that currently  the following  two programs  are                                                               
available:   Lacosta (ph)  and Nygren.   Although  some insurance                                                               
covers these,  most of the cost  is paid by the  individual.  Mr.                                                               
James informed the  committee that he has never been  able to get                                                               
the   [state]  District   Attorneys  office   to  agree   to  the                                                               
modification  of a  bail condition  in order  that the  defendant                                                               
enter treatment  and receive the  Nygren credit.  He  related the                                                               
District  Attorneys office's  view as,  "Lets have  our pound  of                                                               
flesh and then you can go into treatment."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES emphasized  that  with treatment,  one  must be  self-                                                               
motivated.   Obviously, one good  reason to be  self-motivated is                                                               
to stay  out of jail.   Mr. James informed the  committee that he                                                               
has been  doing defense regarding  DWIs for  about 20 years.   In                                                               
his personal  experience, first-time offenders who  have attended                                                               
the  Lacosta   and  Genesis  House   (ph)  [programs]   have  low                                                               
recidivism  rates.   There is  a  high success  rate because  the                                                               
intervention occurs when the person  wants it, and the individual                                                               
is looking at  72 hours versus a substantial amount  of time.  He                                                               
reiterated  the  need to  start  this  in district  court  versus                                                               
superior court where there isn't  time or where the individual is                                                               
already a  hardened criminal.   He  mentioned that  the [Partners                                                               
for Downtown Progress] is a good idea.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2341                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES  pointed out that  during the  meetings used to  set up                                                               
the wellness  court, no one  from the [state]  District Attorneys                                                               
office was  present.  Furthermore,  when in wellness  court Judge                                                               
Wanamaker has requested that everyone  applaud the individual for                                                               
his  or  her efforts,  the  only  person  not applauding  is  the                                                               
district attorney.   Mr. James  said, "If you think  these people                                                               
[the District Attorneys  office] are going to  cooperate with the                                                               
court system, you're  very much mistaken.  They've  got their own                                                               
agenda."  With  regard to the DOC, he explained  that Lacosta and                                                               
Genesis House  don't want  to deal  with the  DOC because  of the                                                               
control  factors.   With  regard to  the  [deadlines for  filing]                                                               
motions,  Mr.   James  indicated   support  of   Ms.  Clarkweeks'                                                               
testimony on that issue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES turned  to the issue of credit for  EM, which he viewed                                                               
as  a ploy  by the  District  Attorneys Office  to obtain  "their                                                               
pound  of flesh."    He reiterated  that  the District  Attorneys                                                               
Office should not  be trusted.  Furthermore, he  wasn't sure that                                                               
the  legislature could  saddle Bethel  Superior Court  with these                                                               
added responsibilities.  In conclusion,  Mr. James reiterated the                                                               
need to begin this process in juvenile court or district court.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-38, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG mentioned  Ms. Clarkweeks'  suggestion to  change                                                               
the 45 days to discovery [rather than to arraignment].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES   explained  that  the  state   doesn't  start  giving                                                               
discovery until  the arraignment  occurs, even  though everything                                                               
is not complete  at the time of arraignment.   Therefore, 45 days                                                               
is  an  unrealistic  timeframe.     Mr.  James  agreed  with  Ms.                                                               
Clarkweeks  in  regard  to  the defendant  opting  in,  once  the                                                               
defendant is accepted  into drug court.  However,  he said, "what                                                               
the state is trying to do here  is, they will give you the carrot                                                               
if you're  caught, but you're going  to have to give  up all that                                                               
stuff.  And  that'll never fly."  Furthermore,  he predicted that                                                               
the  supreme court  will  object because  it  violates state  and                                                               
constitutional rights.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2412                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES   informed  the  committee  that   last  summer  Judge                                                               
Wanamaker put on a presentation in  which it was brought out that                                                               
there  are no  treatment  facilities for  drug  or alcohol  abuse                                                               
available to a  female through the DOC unless that  female had at                                                               
least  six months  to  serve.   Currently,  Lacosta  is the  only                                                               
facility that a female can go to for Nygren credit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG returned  to Mr. James' discussion of  the 45 days                                                               
and requested clarification.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES  clarified  that  he  believes  an  individual,  after                                                               
entering a program,  should have to do something in  less than 45                                                               
days.   He pointed out  that this program  is not for  people who                                                               
don't accept their  first responsibility, which is  that they did                                                               
something wrong and need help.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG related his understanding  that currently the bill                                                               
is drafted such  that the acceptance in the court  is made within                                                               
45 days of arraignment.  He asked if that is problematic.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG inquired  as  to  where the  line  will be  drawn                                                               
because [per Mr. James' testimony] discovery is never complete.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES  reiterated that  first an  individual must  admit that                                                               
there  is a  problem  and  commit to  doing  something about  the                                                               
problem.   Therefore,  he said  he believes  that the  individual                                                               
must commit himself to the  jurisdiction by entering a no-contest                                                               
or guilty plea to the  underlying charge shortly after acceptance                                                               
in the wellness program and before the actual treatment happens.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG said, "Well, that's 45 days."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2307                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JAMES  clarified,  "That's not  45  days  from  arraignment.                                                               
Arraignment is  during the regular  court.  I'm talking  from the                                                               
time of wellness  court, not from the  initial arraignment, which                                                               
happens 24 hours after arrest."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG reiterated,  "The bill  says that  you've got  45                                                               
days from arraignment  to get accepted into  the [wellness] court                                                               
and then  you've got  45 days  from the  first appearance  in the                                                               
court to make your plea."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JAMES  specified that the  problem lies  with the 45  days to                                                               
get  accepted into  the [wellness]  court.   He  said he  doesn't                                                               
believe that "we" are set up  to handle it within that timeframe,                                                               
given  the  delays  in  the discovery  and  processing  that  are                                                               
inherent  in  this type  of  acceptance  program.   With  such  a                                                               
timeline, once the program has  been entered into, the individual                                                               
accepts the fact  that the legal issues  involving his/her arrest                                                               
will not be litigated.  In  response to Chair Rokeberg, Mr. James                                                               
offered to provide further suggestions in writing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2188                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM HENKELMAN, Statewide  Outreach Coordinator, Outreach Program,                                                               
Yukon-Kuskokwim   Health   Corporation   (YKHC),   informed   the                                                               
committee that  he has been working  for the YKHC in  a number of                                                               
capacities over the past few years.   He mentioned that Ms. Kitka                                                               
may not  be aware of the  extent to which YKHC  has been involved                                                               
in the development of this bill.   The YKHC strongly supports the                                                               
therapeutic  court concept.    However,  Mr. Henkelman  expressed                                                               
concern with the fiscal note  that removes a district court judge                                                               
position in  Bethel and replaces  it with a superior  court judge                                                               
position.  He didn't see  how that would significantly reduce the                                                               
overwhelming workload.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  related  his   understanding  that  replacing  a                                                               
district  court  judge  position  with  a  superior  court  judge                                                               
position  was due  to  the difficulty  in  recruiting a  district                                                               
court judge for the open seat.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER agreed that there  has been difficulty in recruiting                                                               
a district court judge for the  open seat in Bethel.  However, he                                                               
pointed  out  that "it's  also  a  felony jurisdiction  versus  a                                                               
misdemeanor jurisdiction."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN maintained that the  huge caseload will remain.  He                                                               
related his belief that the  alcohol problem is serious and could                                                               
be significantly helped with the  therapeutic court process.  Mr.                                                               
Henkelman  expressed his  optimism for  the benefits  produced by                                                               
using the therapeutic  court process, although it  will take some                                                               
time before the benefits are evident.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN,  in response to  Chair Rokeberg, said that  he has                                                               
not been  personally involved in this  [therapeutic court] issue,                                                               
although  he noted  he has  had a  discussion with  Orie Williams                                                               
(ph) and Sandra Mearnoff (ph) regarding this issue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG related  his  belief that  this  is an  excellent                                                               
opportunity to  provide for  additional funding  and work  into a                                                               
more holistic  approach.  He  requested that Mr.  Henkelman speak                                                               
to the holistic approach.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HENKELMAN remarked that he liked  the language of HB 172 that                                                               
read,  "Each  therapeutic  court  shall be  adapted  to  fit  the                                                               
available local  resources and cultural  traditions."   There are                                                               
many   programs  around   the   country   that  use   traditional                                                               
approaches,  he noted,  as is  the case  with the  YKHC treatment                                                               
programs  for  inhalants.   To  be  able to  utilize  traditional                                                               
cultural  values  and  traditional  teachings  in  a  therapeutic                                                               
process will  make the  treatment more  successful for  people in                                                               
the [rural]  region in  particular.  Such  an approach  makes the                                                               
chances of long-term  success much greater than  with the Western                                                               
approach.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1973                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER returned to the  issue of the district court                                                               
judge  position  in Bethel.    He  asked  if the  district  court                                                               
position is being  changed to a superior court  judge position or                                                               
if a judge is being added for six months.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOLIVER explained  that currently  there is  funding for  a                                                               
district  court judge,  and  there is  an  acting district  court                                                               
judge  in Bethel.   However,  that position  has not  been filled                                                               
with a full-time judge.   Therefore, this bill pushes the current                                                               
district court judge position to  that of a superior court judge.                                                               
In  further  response  to   Representative  Meyer,  Mr.  Wooliver                                                               
clarified that a superior court  judge would be added; there will                                                               
be two  judges there.   He  specified that  rather than  having a                                                               
superior court  judge and a  district court judge, there  will be                                                               
two superior court judges.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER asked  Mr. Henkelman if he  felt that having                                                               
two superior court judges on a full-time basis would be helpful.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HENKELMAN said  he hears  that the  number of  cases that  a                                                               
superior  court judge  handles in  Bethel  is far  more than  any                                                               
other  judge  handles  in  the  state.   Therefore,  there  is  a                                                               
critical need.  He related  his understanding  that there  are so                                                               
many cases  that the  court is  run on  a plea-bargain  system in                                                               
order to go  through as many cases  as they can, as  fast as they                                                               
can, which causes him some serious concerns.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1885                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RUDOLPH NEWAN, Graduate, Wellness  Court, thanked Judge Wanamaker                                                               
for giving  him the  opportunity to  turn his  life around.   His                                                               
past life was lost in the  disease of alcoholism.  He shared with                                                               
the committee that  he was locked up  46 times in his  life.  The                                                               
wellness court  works, and it would  be great to expand  it.  Mr.                                                               
Newman informed the committee of  a Newsweek article he read that                                                             
discussed a  monthly shot  for alcoholism.   Mr.  Newman reviewed                                                               
the  changes in  his life  [since wellness  court], changes  that                                                               
have  placed him  back  in  society.   He  praised Naltrexone  in                                                               
helping him stay sober, which has  taken him 41 years to achieve.                                                               
Mr. Newman, a former Bethel  resident, said that [the therapeutic                                                               
court] would be  wonderful in Bethel.  In  conclusion, Mr. Newman                                                               
said, "It's not the carpenter  building the house; it's the house                                                               
building the carpenter."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NEWMAN,   in  response  to  Chair   Rokeberg,  informed  the                                                               
committee that he  graduated from the wellness  court three years                                                               
ago,  and  he has  not  been  taking  Naltrexone for  over  three                                                               
months.   He  explained  the process,  which included  Alcoholics                                                               
Anonymous  (AA)  meetings  and  Naltrexone-user  meetings.    The                                                               
meetings discuss  what is  going on  in an  individual's personal                                                               
life and  how that  individual makes  it on a  daily basis.   Mr.                                                               
Newman specified  that he took  Naltrexone for six  months, which                                                               
was his  choice.   At the  same time,  he was  working on  the 12                                                               
steps of AA.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1529                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEYER inquired as to  the possible side effects of                                                               
Naltrexone.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEWMAN  answered that in his  personal experience, Naltrexone                                                               
made  him drowsy  and made  his  stomach feel  as if  it were  in                                                               
knots.    He  noted  that  the side  effects  are  different  for                                                               
different  people.   However, Naltrexone  took  the craving  [for                                                               
alcohol] away so  that he could focus on himself.   He noted that                                                               
he did  have nightmares.   Mr. Newman also  noted that he  has an                                                               
excellent support  system.  In response  to Representative Meyer,                                                               
Mr. Newman said he has been sober about ten months.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG announced that the  public hearing on HB 172 would                                                               
be held  open.   He noted his  intention to hear  HB 172  and its                                                               
amendments on Friday,  at which time HB 4 and  its amendment will                                                               
also be heard.  [HB 172 was held over.]                                                                                         

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